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109 comments:
Is it just me or are there more car crashes in this town as of late or what? Is it stupid drivers? Road issues? Or is it possible the Herald is on a car crash kick after the publicity of that crash last week where the person died?
The whole issue with the Ralph Engelstad Arena... I've heard rumors that there's a clause in the contract that if the Fighting Sioux nickname is changed that UND would not be able to use the REA anymore, and I've heard a more extreme rumor that it would be torn down... I have a lot of trouble believing the latter, but I never have been able to find a definitive answer, so does anyone know for sure what the actual deal is with UND's use of the Ralph, post-name change?
anonymous #2:
This article should clarify things for you:
http://media.www.dakotastudent.com/media/storage/paper970/news/2007/03/02/News/Rumors.Prove.Untrue.In.Rea.Agreement-2753516.shtml
Opps, I meant to direct that previous comment to szymanski's designated driver. Sorry! Either way, I hope the article helps!
What's going on with the Hardee's on Gateway remodel? I thought it had been closed at the same time the Demers/Washington Hardees was closed... is there something new going in?
Another auto parts store???
at a minimum, Charles Kupchella has been one of the best and smartest presidents ever at UND.
he never would have allowed the REA on the UND campus, nor allowed the hockey team to play in an REA anywhere with the clause that if the nickname was changed the arena would be torn down.
please give him the credit he deserves. we (the residents of ND) should be grateful for everything he has accomplished in his tenure.
The Hardee's on Gateway is turning into a Little Caesar's (for sure) and does anyone else know if another Subway is going in there, too?
it is going to be a little caesar's and subway, and the subway currently in the el roco building will close.
The REA is not owned by UND.
As good old uncle ralphie would say, "let nature take its course and consider it a bad investment"
Thanks Lynsey, that cleared everything up for me.
So there will be another Subway/ Little Caeser's off of Washington... let's put this in perspective..
2 Subways/ Little Caesar's
2 Blockbusters (and 1 Hollywood Video)
A lot of auto parts stores...with another one going in the old Jeannie's spot...
What is with all of these duplicate businesses on Washington? It always has bothered me that the only major video rental stores are all on Washington.
Let's look at Kupchella's "legacy" at UND:
-A further-embroiled nickname battle that has wasted millions of dollars that could have been spent on student/faculty improvements.
-Implementation of a new registration/money management system (PeopleSoft) that has been almsot contiousouly broken.
-Lagging faculty salaries
-A significant lack of leadership for faculty and staff who are conducting research and teaching.
Yeah, but look at that hockey rink!
Anon,
I think it could be argued that 3 of the 4 things you mentioned regarding Kupchella's legacy are out of his control and the fault of the Board of Higher Education. For certain Kupchella had nothing to do with Peoplsoft, that was a board decision. The Board also controls pay statewide. I'm not saying the man is without fault but then again who isn't?
Reading the article in Sunday's Herald about the family retrospective on Daric Franz, the young man killed in the shootout in EGF last fall reminded me of something that totally turned my stomach this past August. While helping a friend move some of her belongings into the storage sheds on Hwy 220 by the Tech (where the shooting took place), there was a large, suspicious (and disgusting) "splatter" on one of the walls of the adjacent building next to a barrel garbage can. I don't know what it was, but all of my friends immediately said that it must've been from the shootout. Either way, the property owner (or the police, depending on what it was) should clean it off. It was disturbing to say the least.
Coming from a family of funeral directors and coroners...the "splatter" you're talking about isn't anything from that episode. One good rain and it's gone. C'mon, use your head.
Strange, if I get mud on my house that's protected by a 8" or so of eaves, and unless I hose it off with a high pressure hose it's never coming off.
If you had mud in your veins and head, that analogy might make sense :-)
Hmmmm...a dried on substance that rain barely touches compared to a dried on substance that rain barely touches. Yup, you sure got me there.
Did your funeral director/coroner family ever teach you about containment, removal, and the proper disposal of biohazardous waste? "Awww, just let the rain wash it away." Wow.
Did your funeral director/coroner family ever teach you about containment, removal, and the proper disposal of biohazardous waste? "Awww, just let the rain wash it away."
Heheh. Good point, and I suppose that it points to whatever the anon above saw not being (human) remnants of a shootout.
Just thinking about the old Civic Auditorium. It might be neat to convert it into a recreation center with an indoor batting cage or driving range. I'm not sure about ceiling heights for such activities, but it would give people something more to do during the winter!
Funny last paragraph in this story: GF Herald. Apparently they won't lease the space to themselves?
Just thinkin,
How about convert the civic into something like playmakers in fargo or game works in the cities?
Fireball,
I've been to the Gameworks in Seattle, and it was fun, even for an old gal like me. I could see something like that at the Civic Auditorium.
I wonder how the arcade in Columbia Mall is doing. Would there be enough youth traffic for a Gameworks?
Dale, I believe there was a dispute between a couple of brothers that own the company. Don't know why they said the lease was up. Maybe one brother owns the groceries and the other owns the building?
Thanksgiving ought to be a hoot at the Leevers house this year.
Does anyone know where any good pumpkin patches are to bring children to? My godson is coming up to visit this weekend, and I'd like to take him out to one. Any fun halloween activities this weekend for little kids?
Just thinkin
Hey now your not old. Your still a Toys "R" Us Kid just ask Jeffery and remember this line from him. "I Don't Want to Grow Up, I'm a Toys "R" Us Kid,"
Is the gameworking in seattle also a bar too. so the youth would have to leave when it makes the switch to bar/game evening?
Who is Ron Paul?
Katie,
There are a couple of pumpkin patches north of the Air Force Base.
Take the exit to the front gates at the base (at Emerado) and drive north. There's one on the right side of the road a couple miles past the base and then a little farther north the road turns to gravel after Mekinock and there's another one.
Went to the second one with my son's scout troop over the weekend. You can take a hayride out around the field and they stopped so the kids could pick pumpkins right out of the field. Not sure if they do that for everyone or if it was just a scouting thing. Otherwise, they have a little maze cut into a small cornfield next to the farm and they sell pumpkins, bars and cider in the quonset.
As far as the weekend, the YMCA is hosting its annual Halloween event on Sunday night starting at 6:00. There are carnival-type games for the kids (everyone's a winner) and I think they set up some of those big inflatable games in the gym. A lot of UND students volunteer to help out with the night. It's pretty fun for younger kids.
"Who is Ron Paul?"
Close your eyes and picture that crazy home-schooled kid who lived next door, and your mom made you invite him to your birthday party, and he started crying when your mom put on Power Rangers because he didn't want God to hate him for being near the devil's box. Now picture that kid's dad. Now imagine that kid's dad had like a billion YouTube videos about him.
That's Ron Paul. The man who He uncontrollably throws up at the sight of the government spending money, and has certainly never lived off a monthly check paid by the taxpayers. Oh, wait...
(I can't take credit for these, but they pretty much sum him up)
I always take my son to the "2nd" pumpkin patch mentioned above. It's a good time and they do the hay rides all the time not just for special groups
Ron Paul may be the best Republican candidate out there, if only because he is the closest thing to an authentic Republican.
OK, most important question of the week:
If there was a zombie outbreak, where you head to hide out?
And don't say the mall, cause 50 thousand other people would be trying to get there, too -- not to mention the undead.
I would hide at Cabela's... plenty of ammo. Heh, heh. ;)
P.S. Come and see the Rocky Horror Picture Show on Friday night, Saturday night and Halloween night at the Empire! (I know, I know, I'm a such a worthless shill sometimes.)
P.P.S. We could use some extras for the show as well. If you are interested, contact the Empire Arts Center and the message will get passed along to me.
Thanks!
Zombies? I'll admit to randomly imagine that everyone around me suddenly lurched over and went all undead on me. On those occasions I'll look around for the nearest space I can bar shut: no window, no flimsy walls or hollow-core doors, etc. I have an active imagination.
I think one of the bars on the North End would be a best bet, I'll pick the BUN. Only 2 doors to block, no windows, plus the chance to easily make some molotov cocktails to throw at the zombies in the parking lot. The Bronze Boot would be a good bet as well...
Thoughts and prayers go out to the families of the UND Aviation students that died in a plane crash last night.
Tough year for the aerospace college... 3 students and a flight instructor have passed away. The first two took on conditions they weren't rated for. It will be interesting to see what the NTSB comes up with for this unfortunate crash.
Yikers - I hadn't heard about the crash until reading this. My heart goes out. I remember having a healthy respect for the skies when I did the UND av thing and it's always amazing how flight, something so beautiful and powerful, can turn tragic in an instant.
Be safe up there.
Yeah, it's been a tough year for the aerospace college, 3 students, a flight instructor, and their helicopter was wrecked too. I wonder what's going wrong.
Katie, for another kid friendly activity:
Altru Cancer Center has a fund raising event this weekend - a showing of "The Wizard of Oz" at the Empire on Saturday Oct 27th at 1pm. Dressing as your favorite character & singing along is encouraged. For more info:
http://altru.org/workfiles/frontpage/OzFlyer.pdf
Wow! Playmakers closed. BIG opportunity for The Alerus Center to reroute the great talent Playmakers had on the books and execute the shows in the convention space.
Oops, forgot, the 200K "concert fund" went missing. Can't do it.
RIP Playmakers, thanks for the memories.
Just to clarify - Playmakers in Fargo, right?
Are they closed permanently or just changed ownership/theme?
Do we have some proof of Playmaker's closing? Until then, I'll assume that post is just another reason to rip the Alerus.
Yes, Playmakers in Fargo.
They'll be back. Time will tell. Probably with new name and concept.
Dullum's blog broke the story.
Maybe he'll post the press release somewhere.
What's the Alerus?
bright eyes,
Are you going to the Bright Eyes show? Maybe we could carpool.
Flight Program - maybe if UND had not spent all that money on the "Fighting Sioux" name it could have been prevented.
That is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. I'm not even sure what you're implying with that comment, but all the money in the world cannot prevent every freak accident from happening.
You also need to understand that the money being used to pay for the nickname case is coming from Alumni/donors... although I do agree that it's money that could be much better spent on other things for UND.
Regardless... hindsight's 20/20 and all that.
Wow-possible settlement of nickname/mascot issue tomorrow morning. Anybody have the inside scoop of what might be involved?
Playmaker's?
I saw a Blue October/Yellowcard concert on the 14th...Sevendust and 10 Years just played on Tues.
Bright Eyes is playing on the 3rd.
Are you sure they're closed? Seems like a lot going on if they're closed.
I'll be there, anon, for what seems like the last show, at least according to Dullum. Hmm...maybe a Walder/Milo experience might be in order tonight.
Isn't it called The Venue now? Or is that a different place?
UND didn't spend a dime. Alumni/other people donated the funds. They chose to donate their money to this cause...like giving money to the Humane Society over the North Shore Animal League...perhaps you would choose to spend your money differently, and that is fine, because it is YOUR money. I think it is remarkable that so many people donated the money for this cause. IT shows the true public opinion on this issue. It is a vocal minority (as always) that is making this an "issue".
Playmakers didn't close. If anythin, it's an exchange of ownership since the own recently died.
They also remodeled (a year or two ago) to the tune of $12mil, to remodel the entire building and lower costs (and increase profits).
I was there for th Atmosphere show, and I have to say, there's no way that place is closing soon. It's the sort of club that reminds you Minneapolis but even better and more intimate (the quest, first ave, the myth). It surpasses those venues by a longshot because it's big AND awesome.
Who is the vocal minority vs. majority? I thought opinion was pretty evenly split.
I for one am getting sick of the Fighting Sioux controversy. I can hear it now "Introducing your University of a state in the northern middle of the US, Just under Canada, Fighting Soo!"
Personally I like the UND Flyers.
Anyways I am a supporter of UND and UND athletics and will continue to support them no matter what they are called. I love the nick name the Fighting Sioux but if it changes I will still go to the games even if we are outside to watch them. My favorite all time football game was UND vs NDSU in the playoffs at UND when it was 20 below outside. Now that was a fun game.
The Ralph is a beautiful facility and I am very proud of it. It would be a shame to loose it, but more of a shame that the donor was more concerned with a logo then the athletes that played under it.
So what ever comes of the Fighting Sioux Logo, I will be a UND grad and fan.
I for one am getting sick of the Fighting Sioux controversy. I can hear it now "Introducing your University of a state in the northern middle of the US, Just under Canada, Fighting Soo!"
Personally I like the UND Flyers.
Anyways I am a supporter of UND and UND athletics and will continue to support them no matter what they are called. I love the nick name the Fighting Sioux but if it changes I will still go to the games even if we are outside to watch them. My favorite all time football game was UND vs NDSU in the playoffs at UND when it was 20 below outside. Now that was a fun game.
The Ralph is a beautiful facility and I am very proud of it. It would be a shame to loose it, but more of a shame that the donor was more concerned with a logo then the athletes that played under it.
So what ever comes of the Fighting Sioux Logo, I will be a UND grad and fan.
I'm getting sick of people who don't know how to operate the "Publish Your Comment" button.
The Engelstad Arena isn't going anywhere regardless of the outcome of the lawsuit and possible name change. Can we please put this urban legand to rest once and for all??!
If the UND suit plays all the way out, through appeals courts, it will cost over $10 million. The donors will have left by then, and UND will be stuck with the bill. All of this over a nickname. Money that could have gone to academics, scholarships, will go to lawyers in Utah. By then, though, Kupchella, who initiated it, will have left, and will be collecting his pension.
Just got an email from Fargo Forum saying that UND will "retire" the Fighting Sioux name in three years unless local tribes start supporting it. Guess it's back to the Flickertails, eh?
"UND will "retire" the Fighting Sioux name in three years "
I'll have to see that to believe it.
Well, here's the article. I'd suspect that they're hoping for Spirit Lake or someone to sign on, but I'm sure the point of no return, as regards changing the name, wouldn't be all that far off.
I wonder now if the vocal few will be vocal about what the next nickname will be. How can you go from the Fighting Sioux to flickertails? Thats so degrading to Indian culture and nation.
Who will portray us in a positive way like UND has?
I can hear it now.
Spirit Lake will sign on if the price is right. I don't want to see the name go. I take pride in my heritage and the Fighting Irish doesn't offend me in the least. And yes, the Irish were oppressed at one time too. I am just sick of the whole minority who are vocal while the majority keep silent because we are concerned we may offend someone by backing the name. Maybe it is time to have a name and logo that people can take pride in-on both sides. Then I'll be looking forward to the Irish Center, IrMed (Irish into Medicine) etc on the Campus. Quite frankly, I think it may be time for the field to be level.
...expect a shitload of Alumni bitching about the nickname (but not doing anything about it) in the coming months.
And also, I don't expect the tribes to support any sort of nickname deal unless money is involved (heavily in their favor).
I just don't see it happening.
Fighting Irish, Fighting Nordics or Fighting Vikings ? I like it. Any comments on The Golden Feathers ? I shared a house with a couple guys that were "Golden Feathers" as a freshman at UND. It was like Animal House. As I asked Joel A this morning, If Judge Jahnke was in a civil right case and he burned a cross or hung a noose at Black Studies House should he be removed from case ? just a thought from Peoples Law School. greenglass4.
greenglass4: If you are NOT John Hoff, you are the new John Hoff of Grand Forks...he left....when are you going to?
Greenglass is much worse than Hoff...eh, Gary? wearing a feather on your coat is a little different than burning a cross or hanging nooses...a feather has never killed an indian person.
Sometimes people have to ruffle feathers - in the case of greenglass - I still think his comments are relevant, if not actually awesome.
Also, John Hoff was insane but I don;t think greenglass is - just spreading some ideas that needs to be thought about; taken into consideration.
Back me up on this greenglass! Make me a believer.
also, if you're going to comment as greenglass4 - use the "other" comment profile on the comment box. Or even sign in if you have a blog. Anything to make it "you" and not "just some random person". Like me...
Just wanted to promote this new site, which I hope to make a regular thing and do as good of a job as GFL.
http://fargodev.blogspot.com/
I'm very interested in GFL, so I thought I would start this as my own "gfl" (in lowercase - not as awesome).
So yeah, GFG...check out this site sometime, add it to your sidebar at some point when it gets better.
thx, fargodev.
This deal-making will put the tribes in a no-win dilemma. Either they sell out and are disrespected for giving in to what will essentially be bribes, or else they will take the brunt of the blame for the end of the nickname. The NCAA, which is mostly White and has a lot of power, has called the nickname hostile and abusive, but they're not the ones who will suffer the backlash if the name changes as a result of this latest tactic.
It makes me sick anytime someone stands up for Alfonso Rodrequez. I say let him rot in a 2x6 concrete cell for the rest of his pathetic life.
Re: comment about the Flickertails. I say we bring back UND's original nickname and revive the traditional name Flickertails.
I never thought John Hoff was crazy, he actually made some good points about gov't transparency and openness at those city council meetings and drove the good-old-boy net crazy.
My vote for old Leever's: roller rink
"My vote for old Leever's: roller rink"
I think the main reason you do not see roller rinks anymore is that most of them can not survive on what they make.
Maybe a more viable option is to have a skate park in the center with roller skating on the outside. That way you could have young and old at the same place.
Playmakers to shut down and re-open as something else....interesting. There is no change of ownership either, according to the story in today's Fargo Forum
I wonder how much did Florida State had to pony up to keep their Seminoles mascot and nickname? Maybe their situation will provide some insight.
It's true, "Playmakers" is gone. It will reopen in the future with the same ownership. BTW, the owner didn't die recently. Let's just say, as long as people are buying vitamins and supplements, there will be a Playmakers.
Lots of money millions in revenue from tickets, apperal etc.They also have say in how its portrayed and they made sure they designed the living mascot at all athletics.
I was very disappointed to see that UND could keep the nickname for another 3 years... So now UND pretty much just has to start throwing money at the tribes until they say yes? This is ridiculous, I hope the Tribes don't back down from their beliefs and stand up for what they think is right. If they don't want UND to use the nickname, then UND shouldn't, no matter how many people complain. I really don't understand why 3 years was the decided time period. Just delaying the inevitable.
They better not try use Force of The North as the new name for UND teams. Some forceful people somewhere may be offended and the cycle will start all over again.
Oh, to be a lawyer!
They better not try use Force of The North as the new name for UND teams. Some forceful people somewhere may be offended and the cycle will start all over again.
Oh, to be a lawyer!
Are you this stupid in person?
I'm not a big anti- or pro- nickname person, but I will say that it drives me crazy when people of Irish or Norwegian heritage say they are not offended by "Fighting Irish" or "Vikings," so Native Americans shouldn't be offended by "Fighting Sioux."
While Irish immmigrants faced some tremendous discrimination in this country, they never had their land taken from them and were never the target of a government eradication program. They also were never sent to reservations.
It is not up to us to tell Native Americans what should or should not offend them. If we can win their approval by convincing that the name is an honor, then let's do it, but in the end, we have to accept the final result if their tribal governments say NO.
With apologies to Shakespeare: "A rose by any other name smells as sweet" (if I even got that right!). Changing the name doesn't change the fact that UND teams won championships and represented the state's people, including Native Americans, well. They will continue to do so whatever their nickname is.
They better not try use Force of The North as the new name for UND teams. Some forceful people somewhere may be offended and the cycle will start all over again.
Oh, to be a lawyer!
Are you this stupid in person?
Here's three words - Tounge in cheek
I'll take that as a "Yes."
Well the wild card in this mess is Ralph E, his Foundation and The Arena. They were not part of this 3 year agreement. They can litigate again or just hold out for 20 years. UND students, staff, and professors must now court the members of the tribes in ND. Invite a person for a week in GF and go to a res for a weekend visit if you want to keep the Sioux name. greenglass4.
The sad part is that the nickname rests in the hands of the tribal government, which have always been known to be corrupt and have their own agends. It's too bad in cannot go to the vote of the Sioux people. Majority would have to rule, since that's the stance the NCAA took with other schools, hence whenever Florida State is mentioned, it's said the "nearby" Seminole tribe approves, because the Seminoles that were shipped to Oklahoma don't agree with the nickname.
The sad part is that the nickname rests in the hands of the tribal government, which have always been known to be corrupt and have their own agends.
And what government hasn't been accused of being corrupt or of operating under its own agenda? What other agenda should a tribal government operate under but its own? Think before you write, people.
9:04 PM, October 27, 2007 Anonymous,
The people on the tribal governments have their own personal agendas. Understand now? They have no concern whatsoever for the good of the people that they serve. Numerous scientific polls have been commissioned concerning this issue and each one has come back with the MAJORITY of THE PEOPLE not having an issue with the Fighting Sioux nickname. The tribal councils will not put it to the vote of the people, because they know what the outcome will be.
The whole purpose of a separate tribal government is to preserve tribal sovereignity. Tribal governments are not necessarily democracies. There's a reason that "tribal law" is a separate field of study.
Whose decision should it be? Anyone who's a registered member of a Sioux tribe in ND or the tribal authorities?
Why is there a statue of Sitting Bull, and not a sculpture representative of all tribal members, outside the REA?
"Numerous scientific polls"? Could you be any more vague? I've got "numerous scientific polls" which demonstrate that the "Fighting Sioux" nickname is clear evidence of latent racism.
Again, think before you write.
Freddy--the same could easily be said about the people in Grand Forks' government.
Somebody was killed at the Broken Drum last night. Fights at bars have always happened, but I've been getting the impression that there has been a trend toward more violence in town lately; this coming from first and second-hand sources.
Don't ruin what could be a vibrant nightlife scene by being drunken idiots. Stay safe out there.
FYI, the rocky horror picture show @ the Empire was great last night despite a tame audience (well for rocky standards). The cast did an excellent job; I expect Halloween night will be pure madness. I'd encourage everyone to check it out who isn't easily offended (don't bring the kiddos)
On another note, I remember a comment from someone saying that the empire was in a state of disrepair. I'd like to know what sort of stuff they were smoking... it's in great shape.
The whole purpose of a separate tribal government is to preserve tribal sovereignity. Tribal governments are not necessarily democracies. There's a reason that "tribal law" is a separate field of study. And you are O.K. with that? !!!! Let's allow tribal governments where revenge killings are the norm. Give me a break.
Whose decision should it be? Anyone who's a registered member of a Sioux tribe in ND or the tribal authorities? Your answer is the tribal authorities, because that's the answer you want.
Why is there a statue of Sitting Bull, and not a sculpture representative of all tribal members, outside the REA?Sitting Bull doesn't represent all Tribal members? ?? Should it have been Doreen YellowBird? She's part Sioux.
"Numerous scientific polls"? Sport Illustrated, The Forum.
I've got "numerous scientific polls" which demonstrate that the "Fighting Sioux" nickname is clear evidence of latent racism. Could you be any more vague?
Probably some PhD dissertation from the Social Work or COmmunications school that discusses "feelings" but would be laughable in any hard science profession.
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