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anyone still have any pictures of/at the westward ho?? my dad worked there for like 15 yrs. but lost all memorbelia in the flood. I though a few old pics of the joint might be a funny gift. remember the Palace before it was a sports bar, the Palace dining room i think...the chuck house tokens, the boot shaped pool, the round green couch and the player piano. that place was an icon. id love to see any pics of the westward ho. thx
Regarding The Westward Ho, eBay usually always has some great historic post cards for auction. Also, ash trays and glassware. It's true, the Westward Ho was a phenominal local landmark. I'm also very sad to see it go. The lobby alone on a Saturday night was the best show in town!
Widespread price fixing in gasoline sales! Widespread collusion among local gas retailers, result in criminal charges against 11 companies and 13 people . Over $2 million in fines ! This was in weekend GF Herald "The Canadian Report ". Could actions that happened in Quebec, Canada happen in GF ? Keep your gas receipts and lets sue them ! greenglass4
Gas in California is almost 5 bucks for a gallon of super unleaded. Grand Forks is next. I am going to buy a bicycle and in the winter I will ride a dog sled to work. I must first get good dogs though. Does anyone know where I could buy like 30 purebred Chuwawa's, the real thoroughbred type. I figure they are small and fast and I wont have to feed them very much. Does any one have any experience with Reindeer? Do they make good sled-dogs? What about high schoolers? Has anyone ever heard of High school kids pulling a sled. I would be willing to pay like 1 dollar per mile. My daily commiute is like 3 miles round trip. Has anyone ever tride to make a rocket propeeldd snow shoes?
Aww... 'The Ho' is gone?!?! I had so many memories of that place... When I was a kid my aunt worked there so we would get a free room on the weekends once in a while, the boot shaped pool ROCKED! I went to supper at the Palace for prom my junior year (if WAS a fancy place at the time). Saw Martin Zellar there for the first time many many moons ago, his "Born Under" CD cover was a picture of him at The Ho.
Also, does anyone know if the University of North Dakota Medical School, or lawyer school are any good?
The Med School is better than the Law school, but my opinion is based on friends that have went to both (one nurse, one lawyer). They both have good facilities - I would suggest going to Boston for law as my cousin did (much better school). If tuition is an issue, then go to UofM for law.
How about other affordable protable AC units besides the hardware stores?
Check craigslist or another website for a good deal. They're everywhere. You might want to try a pawn shop as well - there are a few spread throughout GF.
There's also a website in Fargo called "Freebee", which is a free listing service for people wanting to get rid of things (for free). You probably don't live in fargo, but I would suggest taking a look anyway. You'd be surprised at what's on there (I saw a 52" TV once - the guy was "moving" - maybe to jail, heh)
Anyone know if Olive Garden in Fargo is serving tomatoes?
As far as I know, they will be serving them again within the week. The only reason they stopped was precautionary, and they were probably okay to begin with, but just precaution.
anyone still have any pictures of/at the westward ho?? my dad worked there for like 15 yrs. but lost all memorbelia in the flood. I though a few old pics of the joint might be a funny gift. remember the Palace before it was a sports bar, the Palace dining room i think...the chuck house tokens, the boot shaped pool, the round green couch and the player piano. that place was an icon. id love to see any pics of the westward ho. thx
I'm sure someone reading this blog can dredge up some pictures for you.
As for the last time I was there, it seemed slightly run down. Of course I was at a rock show, so I didn't see much of the building, but I remember going in there a few times that summer and being unimpressed.
But of course, good pictures tell all, and someone has to have good pictures. Try Google Earth as well.
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the Scott Hansen Comedy Gallery or whatever it was called, drinking "fishbowls" and doing karaoke 3 sheets to the wind. Good times... good times...
I have a CD of snapshots of the Fishbowl drinks menu and the recipes. I'll have to post that sometime soon, within the week. Got it right around the time it closed as part of my Christmas gift from my sister-in-law. We all used to go for Comedy...
It's touch and go out there everytime the Law School comes up for accreditation. Low salaries, inferior library, overworked faculty. Randy Lee always managed to work miracles, but he's dead.
I know I am a kid at heart, but does anyone else get excited about fireworks season? I looked on TNT firework's website and they no longer list Grand Forks as one of their locations. Does anyone know if this is true? What is the best place to buy fireworks in town? Any favorite types out there?
Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people.
It's been a while since I bought any (I have a number of fireworks aficionado friends from Minneapolis that invite my family to their annual display north of Grand Forks,)
You, and your family, are invited again this year. I'll be up on the 30th and will probably talk to you more after that...
but I always liked Generous Jerry's on South Washington (Highway 81, really.)
That's been our first stop the past couple of years getting fireworks. Have walked out of there with the money spenders happy with what they got.
Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people.
So, those of us who know what we're doing with fireworks should give up our fun because of a few people who can't handle them? Why should my right, or my friend's rights, depend on the actions of idiots?
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"Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people."
By all means, lets have nanny government take over. No longer shall it be the servant of the people, but the dictator. Please government, save us from ourselves. Don't let us take any responsibility for out own actions. And lock us up if we do.
Does anyone know where I can dump my recycling near downtown? I live in an apartment, so no pickup for me. I've been bringing it to the Hugo's parking lot or to UND, but it would be nice to recycle without having to drive to do it.
It doesnt matter if there is an exception in the NDCC if you live in a state where fireworks are illegal, such as California.
gjb: There is no "right" to buy fireworks. The State of North Dakota can pass legislation at any time banning fireworks, which they should do because of the irresponsible individuals who mainly use them. There is no need to buy fireworks when you can just enjoy a professionaly operated fireworks show on the 4th of July.
Considering how few people I hear about dying every year from fireworks, I doubt this is pressing legislation to pass.
Considering also how many of the yearly injuries or deaths are probably directly connected to the use of alcohol or other mind-altering substances, and that most of those people probably hurt themselves rather than others, my opinion is to let natural selection take its course and eliminate those form the gene pool who are just too dumb to be safe about things.
I hope my 4 year old doesn't blow her hand off with her box of snaps.
Or maybe her head will get blown off watching me and her dad light smoke bombs while she's at a safe distance from them.
It should be illegal for those without common sense to use fireworks. The people who get hurt are usually one's who are irresponsible and reckless, or let their kids use fireworks that they are too young for.
. . . . . . can pass legislation at any time banning fireworks, which they should do . . . . .
Ahh, Grasshopper, the "legislature." The know-all group that knows what is good for us, whether we know it or not.
The key word is "irresponsible" and I don't want to rain on your parade or anything but if you remove the fireworks from the equation, these folks will just find some other way to earn their 'irresponsible' title.
Irresponsible may just be natures way of thinning out the gene pool.
C.Y. Irresponsible is putting up a bolg with all of your personal info on it for everyone to see. Using fireworks is the devils opiate. All fireworks abusers are going straight to hell.
legislature . . . i thought they was voted in and is our representatives . . . guess theys irresponsibility is just a reflection of our own . . . not the least of which is voting some a them fellas into office
"By all means, lets have nanny government take over. No longer shall it be the servant of the people, but the dictator. Please government, save us from ourselves. Don't let us take any responsibility for out own actions. And lock us up if we do."
And let's sell fireworks all year long, all over. In grocery stores, fast food places and convenience stores. Yeah, Sizzlers right next to Twizzlers. And what about those pesky traffic laws that slow down drivers...and commerce. Libertarians rule! Woo hoo!
If fireworks only blew off the hands of the idiots who use them, I wouldn't care, but often they affect innocent bystanders. So in this case EC 99, we do need government to protect us from ourselves.
Does anyone know where this family in this video is from. They are holding a North Dakota Sign. What an amazing Family. You all need to watch this video!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why should we watch that video? Because Jenny McCarthy thinks there is a link between vaccines and autism? People are so quick to point the finger at external causes because they are afraid to admit that their kid could have autism without outside influence.
There has been study after study done on this subject, and there has yet to be any proof of a vaccine-autism link. Just because autism symptoms often appear around the same time as MMR vaccines doesn't mean they are related.
Does anyone know when WDAZ will send digital signal? I have a receiver and I get KVLY and 4. I used to watch WDAZ in the mornings but have quit since the station does not send out a digital signal.
What studies have been done? Studies showing that vaccines don't cause autism. How about the studies to show that vaccines don't injure children. Show me proof when and where these studies were done. Look up the Simpsonwood Memos and tell me what you think. How about the kids who have died due to Vaccine induced high fevers and seizures within 48 hours of being innoculated. What proof do you have that they are safe? Until you can prove that to me, Hush!!!!!!! Don't try to preach to the choir unitl you are 100% on the facts.
Then You should understand what these people are going through. Are they not allowed to believe differently than you. I Think its you that wants the metal, thats why you go around trying to steal the thunder when someone is trying to do something nice. Whatever happened to just saying, good for them I hope their child does okay. I am sure thats what they would do for you. All you have to do is be kind, thats not so much to ask is it.
Since you seem to know about autism.........How did your child get it, Or how do most children get it. I don't know much about the disorder. Can you help me
I posted that because I knew that somebody (you, perhaps?) would have posted something along the lines of "You don't know what these people are going through."
"What studies have been done?"
Here's enough to get you started: http://search.medscape.com/all-search?queryText=autism%20vaccines
"Are they not allowed to believe differently than you."
Where did I say they couldn't believe what they wanted to believe? You are a pretty terrible reader.
"Look up the Simpsonwood Memos and tell me what you think."
Why do you think I haven't studied this in depth. I find that an odd assumption.
"What proof do you have that they are safe? Until you can prove that to me, Hush!!!!!!!"
Do you know what? My kid ate a piece of fruit last week, and got got sick the next day! How many other kids got sick after eating fruit? OMG! FRUIT MAKES KIDS SICK!!
"Since you seem to know about autism.........How did your child get it, Or how do most children get it. I don't know much about the disorder. Can you help me"
Nobody knows what causes autism. Have you consulted a doctor? That's a good place to start for help. If you are going through this I wish you luck, but help is out there.
The only reason the small number of you parents can run around without vaccinating your children is because 99.9% of us ARE acting responsibly and vaccinating our children to avoid widespread activity of diseases.
If you want to take up a "natural parenting" cause, then pick on something that actually makes sense not something that has saved countless numbers of children worldwide, or perhaps you'd like to go back to the days where a large % of the children died due to preventable illnesses????
So many of you "natural parenting" people drive me nuts because you get on your soap box about vaccines, giving children OTC meds, chemicals in their shampoo, etc. Yet, I see you feeding your children hotdogs, soda, dyed foods, watching tv, etc. Gimme a break! Obesity is the worst threat of all for your children, not to mention the recent scientifically proven link between high consumption of dyed foods and hyperactivity ...
... so, why don't you take the hotdog and multi-colored goldfish crackers away from your child and actually go get them immunized to save their life.
1983- 10 vaccines given in first four years of life. Autism 1 in every 10,000
2008- 36 vaccines given. Autism 1 in every 150. 1 in every 94 boys.
6000% increase. My guess is that autism is coming from the genetics of all the parents who don't have autsim. Whose family never had a person with autism. It is for sure not the vaccines. What the hell ever!!!!!!!
The reason autism rates are increasing so much is because of several factors:
1. Acceptance of using a "label" nowadays. The increased rates of autism were probably always there, but we just knew those children as different or slow or not like us.
2. Parents are much more likely to seek out help for their children nowadays.
3. The diagnostic label of "autism" is necessary to pay for many special services and extra help for the child.
4. Over diagnosis by doctors and therapists, not just on the autism spectrum but on many different disorders (i.e.adhd).
5. Children spend more time than ever in daycare centers, school programs, etc and are not at home with mom most of the time, so these children are exposed to many more caregivers and thus the symptoms are much more likely to be noticed, diagnosed, and tended to.
Shall I go on???? There are many many things that have changed in the past 20-25 years in the mental health world, the medical world, our home environments, etc. that have led to increased diagnoses. My best guess is what you are seeing in these "increased rates" are an increase in identification and treatment of a spectrum of disorders that has been there all along.
Who are you? What do you really know about this subject? What the CDC considers safe for mercury is what the EPA considers UNSAFE for standard tap drinking water! For get about monkey brain for a moment- lets discuss ANTIFREEZE. What other product in the United States intended for human indestion contains antifreeze?? Other than vaccacines, of course.
If the senate deems it neccesary for a federal investagation on steroid use in MLB, why wont they investagate a 6000% increase in autism?
If it takes $500,000 to make these kids indistinguishable from their peers at the level of kindergarten, But takes 3 to 5 million to take care of them for a lifetime if we don't do anything. Then we all can expect health insurance to keep climbing to unreal levels. They won't pay for autism but they will pay to institutionalize these people. THink about it?????????????????????
I watched the video and I honor that family for sticking up for what they believe in. All this negative crap needs to stop and be happy that this family loves their son so much and take a posative proactive approach to make him better. What are you doing for your children and other children who are affected with this disease?
Interesting conversation. A Family Therapist makes great points. The methodology of diagnosis has changed enormously in the last 20 years. Comparing autism rates today with those from 1983 is not a valid approach.
HAVE FUN READING THE SIMPSONWOOD MEMOS! " the link is undeniable"
Why is being institutionalized different then general autism. BOTH cost millions a year to treat.
The majority of which is paid for by state medicaid, does everyone enjoy paying a lot of taxes?!
"If we take the mercury and rat dung or whatever out and 10% of the people who take the vaccine die from the disease anyway, is that a good trade off?"
How do we know that taking it out will raise death 10% in those people. I think its a very valid reason to study it but no one will.
Let me remind you that most of these people especially at the Green our Vaccines Rally are not anti-vaccine. They are anti toxin. So why are you all assuming that they won't give any vaccines.
You can't tell me in 1983 that when your kid stood in a corner spinnig wheels on toys, went years without talking and had severe sometimes self injuring behaviors that you would be afraid of putting a label on it. Or even be afraid to have your child seen by a doctor.
Autism is a cluster of symptoms linked together on a whole spectrum ... where we are seeing huge increases in diagnosis is on the lower end of the spectrum, this does drive the overall rate of the disease up considerably. I am not referring to the children who suffer from severe forms of autism, they probably have always been diagnosed as such.
before you post a link you should read and understand what your preachin. There are 11 shots that contain thimerosal. And there is an article on antifreeze as well.
So Dale, why didnt you look at the CDC web site? or the simpsonwood memos. Your pretty hush hush on that arent ya?
"thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of the inactivated influenza vaccine."
Do you remember when smoking was good for you? Believe what you want. I guess its just to much to ask to clean up our vaccines.
I still think the video was great and applaud that family for what they did.
I just read about the Fargo boy who received two heart transplants within four days at Mayo Clinic. That place is remarkable. My mom wouldn't be around today if not for that place. Another good (albeit, more obscure) reason to live in this region.
This is used all the time as a talking point by people that can't tell the difference between Propylene glycol and Ethylene glycol. Ethylene glycol is poison. Propylene glycol is found in too many common daily used products to list here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
I actually use propylene glycol to mix with ivermectin to get the proper dose to control heartworm in my dogs. I buy it at the local compounding pharmacy. You can lick it off you fingers without danger, not that I would choose to do so.
At the same time I am very cautious to keep any "anti-freeze" off the ground as dogs will lick it up like sugar and it can kill them.
Supposedly there is one molecule difference between margarine and some plastics. I guess that one molecule is pretty important and I don't see any hysterics to ban margarine.
A Danish study of more than half a million children showed no link between measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination and autism. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1124634 ------------------------
The mercury-containing vaccine additive thimerosal is not a primary cause of autism, says a study published yesterday in the Archives of General Psychiatry. http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/california-stud.html http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22542677/ http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/611489.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_lifestyle ----------------------- As the authors of a controversial study that linked the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism fend off allegations of professional misconduct, debate over the study's impact on immunization rates continues to rage in Canada.
The hard evidence, though, remains elusive as officials say Canada's tracking system is too woefully inadequate to accurately ascertain the controversy's effect in Canada. http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1995138 ---------------------
The "Wakefield" Studies: Studies Hypothesizing That MMR Causes Autism Dr. Paul Offit, M.D., FAAP, Chief of Infectious Diseases and Director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Those who claim that MMR causes autism often cite two papers by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues. This section summarizes those studies and lists their critical flaws. http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/autism/a_wake.html -------------------
AUTISM AND VACCINE RESEARCH http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/factsheets/fs_tableVII_doc3.htm ----------------
Back to the Westward Ho inquiry 2:37 PM, June 19, 2008
Martin Zellar of the Gear Daddies put out a solo album several years ago and the photos for the album were shot at the Ho. He must've had a soft spot for the place since the GD's played there so often.
Visit the Tuel Shed (now known as The Shed) to see actual memorabilia from the Ho. There are a few items on the walls.
Not sure where to get other stuff from the Ho. It was quite the entertainment spot back in the day.
"Not sure where to get other stuff from the Ho. It was quite the entertainment spot back in the day."
Most of the Ho's equipment and decor went in a public auction a few years ago.
I ended up with the circular couch from the lobby. It sat in my house for about a year, and I sold it off before moving. The damn thing was too big to move with me.
I think one of the partners at Curt D Johnson Auction Co. ended up with the totems and other woodworks from the Chuck House and I think he got the bar from the Speakeasy as well.
Incidentally, I had to bid on Nine and Numb's property that we left at the Comedy Gallery a few days before the place closed in order to get it back. That sucked.
"Fargo-Moorhead abuzz after 'The Juice' spills into town The metro area was abuzz Wednesday after O.J. Simpson visited Fargo’s JT Cigarro bar Tuesday."
This is the #3 story on the Herald website. Pathetic. Finally, there's something that Fargo's got that we DON'T covet.
Don't lie... You know you are just as interested as the rest in why The Juice is hanging out in the Fargo area. What's worse than hickish curiosity is haughty superiority, and then rubbing everyone's nose in it. I'm glad you commented, though,'cause now we know who's cool.
Mother charged with 1st Degree Attempted Murder, tried to gas her 2 daughters age 3 and 4. She is sister of Moe Gibbs. She is in divorce and child custody proceedings. Do you think she might now lose her parental rights ? We hope so, she is now in Psych Ward on 3 rd Floor in TRF, Minn. Breezetta "Brezzy" Etienne is her name and was in Air Force in GF. greenglass4.
Kelly, Bremer Bank seized your shit. No one else. Get a clue. BTW, I was at a friend's house recently and he has a music room with what looks like 100's of posters from past shows at The Ho. It was truly amazing what that place brought to the community!
The Ho made Grand Forkas a better place to live. The Ho made The Herald a better read. The Ho made Terry Dullum's news reports better to watch. The Ho pushed other bars to be better operations. The Ho made Grand Forks radio better. The Ho created opportunities for local budding artists. The Ho probably touched the lives of every individual in this community for years, no, generations.
I could go on, and on.
Whoever, thanks for the memories. I saw some of my heroes there and then met up with them for breakfast the next morning in The Chuckhouse. The place was beyond amazing.
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Anyone know if Olive Garden in Fargo is serving tomatos?
Who here plays World of Warcraft?
I didn't realize WoW players had time to visit the rest of the internets...
I play(ed) WoW, but stopped to start playing Age of Conan. My 48 year old mother plays though!
Unfortunately the Olive Garden is still not serving tomatoes. I drove down to Fargo yesterday and did not eat there because of this.
Where can I find swamp coolers here in town?
You don't see many swamp coolers usedin this region because they not nearly as effective as they are in the SW and others places that lack humidity.
anyone still have any pictures of/at the westward ho?? my dad worked there for like 15 yrs. but lost all memorbelia in the flood. I though a few old pics of the joint might be a funny gift. remember the Palace before it was a sports bar, the Palace dining room i think...the chuck house tokens, the boot shaped pool, the round green couch and the player piano. that place was an icon. id love to see any pics of the westward ho. thx
How about other affordable protable AC units besides the hardware stores?
Regarding The Westward Ho, eBay usually always has some great historic post cards for auction. Also, ash trays and glassware. It's true, the Westward Ho was a phenominal local landmark. I'm also very sad to see it go. The lobby alone on a Saturday night was the best show in town!
What was the Westward Ho?
Also, does anyone know if the University of North Dakota Medical School, or lawyer school are any good?
I stayed at the Westward Ho, and I recall they had antique phones on the wall.
Widespread price fixing in gasoline sales! Widespread collusion among local gas retailers, result in criminal charges against 11 companies and 13 people . Over $2 million in fines ! This was in weekend GF Herald "The Canadian Report ". Could actions that happened in Quebec, Canada happen in GF ? Keep your gas receipts and lets sue them ! greenglass4
I was in Fargo last Thursday, and gas was 20 cents a gallon cheaper than here in Grand Forks on the same day.
Gas in California is almost 5 bucks for a gallon of super unleaded. Grand Forks is next. I am going to buy a bicycle and in the winter I will ride a dog sled to work. I must first get good dogs though. Does anyone know where I could buy like 30 purebred Chuwawa's, the real thoroughbred type. I figure they are small and fast and I wont have to feed them very much. Does any one have any experience with Reindeer? Do they make good sled-dogs? What about high schoolers? Has anyone ever heard of High school kids pulling a sled. I would be willing to pay like 1 dollar per mile. My daily commiute is like 3 miles round trip. Has anyone ever tride to make a rocket propeeldd snow shoes?
The should fast track those plans for the GF Monorail!
Aww... 'The Ho' is gone?!?! I had so many memories of that place... When I was a kid my aunt worked there so we would get a free room on the weekends once in a while, the boot shaped pool ROCKED! I went to supper at the Palace for prom my junior year (if WAS a fancy place at the time). Saw Martin Zellar there for the first time many many moons ago, his "Born Under" CD cover was a picture of him at The Ho.
Also, does anyone know if the University of North Dakota Medical School, or lawyer school are any good?
The Med School is better than the Law school, but my opinion is based on friends that have went to both (one nurse, one lawyer). They both have good facilities - I would suggest going to Boston for law as my cousin did (much better school). If tuition is an issue, then go to UofM for law.
How about other affordable protable AC units besides the hardware stores?
Check craigslist or another website for a good deal. They're everywhere. You might want to try a pawn shop as well - there are a few spread throughout GF.
There's also a website in Fargo called "Freebee", which is a free listing service for people wanting to get rid of things (for free). You probably don't live in fargo, but I would suggest taking a look anyway. You'd be surprised at what's on there (I saw a 52" TV once - the guy was "moving" - maybe to jail, heh)
Anyone know if Olive Garden in Fargo is serving tomatoes?
As far as I know, they will be serving them again within the week. The only reason they stopped was precautionary, and they were probably okay to begin with, but just precaution.
anyone still have any pictures of/at the westward ho?? my dad worked there for like 15 yrs. but lost all memorbelia in the flood. I though a few old pics of the joint might be a funny gift. remember the Palace before it was a sports bar, the Palace dining room i think...the chuck house tokens, the boot shaped pool, the round green couch and the player piano. that place was an icon. id love to see any pics of the westward ho. thx
I'm sure someone reading this blog can dredge up some pictures for you.
As for the last time I was there, it seemed slightly run down. Of course I was at a rock show, so I didn't see much of the building, but I remember going in there a few times that summer and being unimpressed.
But of course, good pictures tell all, and someone has to have good pictures. Try Google Earth as well.
My memory of the Westward Ho was "The Fa-a-a-abulous Roger Hasselton". He hosted the Comedy part of the building.
Whatever happened to him?
Oh yeah, almost forgot about the Scott Hansen Comedy Gallery or whatever it was called, drinking "fishbowls" and doing karaoke 3 sheets to the wind. Good times... good times...
Law School Costs from UMN,UND website:
(Tution Fees books)
MN: Res. $38,000
Non Res. $48,000
ND: Res. $11,000
Non Res. $ 23,000
MN Res. $14,000
If money is not an object go to UMN. UND has a fine program.
I have a CD of snapshots of the Fishbowl drinks menu and the recipes. I'll have to post that sometime soon, within the week. Got it right around the time it closed as part of my Christmas gift from my sister-in-law. We all used to go for Comedy...
Monorail, monorail!
"UND has a fine program."
It's touch and go out there everytime the Law School comes up for accreditation. Low salaries, inferior library, overworked faculty. Randy Lee always managed to work miracles, but he's dead.
mono-D'OH!
I know I am a kid at heart, but does anyone else get excited about fireworks season? I looked on TNT firework's website and they no longer list Grand Forks as one of their locations. Does anyone know if this is true? What is the best place to buy fireworks in town? Any favorite types out there?
I understand that outof staters can buy fireworks in ND sooner the NDers. Is this just urban legend? If not, is there some reason for this law?
Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people.
It's been a while since I bought any (I have a number of fireworks aficionado friends from Minneapolis that invite my family to their annual display north of Grand Forks,)
You, and your family, are invited again this year. I'll be up on the 30th and will probably talk to you more after that...
but I always liked Generous Jerry's on South Washington (Highway 81, really.)
That's been our first stop the past couple of years getting fireworks. Have walked out of there with the money spenders happy with what they got.
Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people.
So, those of us who know what we're doing with fireworks should give up our fun because of a few people who can't handle them? Why should my right, or my friend's rights, depend on the actions of idiots?
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"Fireworks should be illegal because they are dangerous and irresponsible people buy them and end up starting fires, blowing their hands off, or hurting other people."
By all means, lets have nanny government take over. No longer shall it be the servant of the people, but the dictator. Please government, save us from ourselves. Don't let us take any responsibility for out own actions. And lock us up if we do.
Does anyone know where I can dump my recycling near downtown? I live in an apartment, so no pickup for me. I've been bringing it to the Hugo's parking lot or to UND, but it would be nice to recycle without having to drive to do it.
23-15-04. Exceptions.
1. This chapter does not prohibit:
. . .
b. The sale of any kind of fireworks for shipment directly out of the state.
I think they have to provide ID saying they are from out of state and
may have other paperwork.
It doesnt matter if there is an exception in the NDCC if you live in a state where fireworks are illegal, such as California.
gjb:
There is no "right" to buy fireworks. The State of North Dakota can pass legislation at any time banning fireworks, which they should do because of the irresponsible individuals who mainly use them. There is no need to buy fireworks when you can just enjoy a professionaly operated fireworks show on the 4th of July.
Considering how few people I hear about dying every year from fireworks, I doubt this is pressing legislation to pass.
Considering also how many of the yearly injuries or deaths are probably directly connected to the use of alcohol or other mind-altering substances, and that most of those people probably hurt themselves rather than others, my opinion is to let natural selection take its course and eliminate those form the gene pool who are just too dumb to be safe about things.
I hope my 4 year old doesn't blow her hand off with her box of snaps.
Or maybe her head will get blown off watching me and her dad light smoke bombs while she's at a safe distance from them.
It should be illegal for those without common sense to use fireworks. The people who get hurt are usually one's who are irresponsible and reckless, or let their kids use fireworks that they are too young for.
Using fireworks is a learned behavior. So, anon above, your kids are doomed.
. . . . . . can pass legislation at any time banning fireworks, which they should do . . . . .
Ahh, Grasshopper, the "legislature." The know-all group that knows what is good for us, whether we know it or not.
The key word is "irresponsible" and I don't want to rain on your parade or anything but if you remove the fireworks from the equation, these folks will just find some other way to earn their 'irresponsible' title.
Irresponsible may just be natures way of thinning out the gene pool.
Fireworks are for retards and Obama supporters.
C.Y.
Irresponsible is putting up a bolg with all of your personal info on it for everyone to see. Using fireworks is the devils opiate. All fireworks abusers are going straight to hell.
Who has all their personal info in their blog? Did I miss something?
I dont mean ALL personal info like social security numbers, phone numbers, address etc. Just stuff about their life that anyone can see.
all i gotta say is nay tah waush
What about Minnessota?
legislature . . . i thought they was voted in and is our representatives . . . guess theys irresponsibility is just a reflection of our own . . . not the least of which is voting some a them fellas into office
I hope anonymous above doesn't vote as they can't talk properly.
"By all means, lets have nanny government take over. No longer shall it be the servant of the people, but the dictator. Please government, save us from ourselves. Don't let us take any responsibility for out own actions. And lock us up if we do."
And let's sell fireworks all year long, all over. In grocery stores, fast food places and convenience stores. Yeah, Sizzlers right next to Twizzlers. And what about those pesky traffic laws that slow down drivers...and commerce. Libertarians rule! Woo hoo!
It's amusing that you mention traffic laws slowing down commerce, after truckers have started asking for speed limits to be lowered.
Im a trucker and we never asked for speed limits to be lowered. Dont speak for us truckers city slicker.
If fireworks only blew off the hands of the idiots who use them, I wouldn't care, but often they affect innocent bystanders. So in this case EC 99, we do need government to protect us from ourselves.
The American Trucking Association has recommended a lower national speed limit:
http://www.truckline.com/NR/exeres/3AEF2137-09F9-4830-9719-51240264A28D.htm
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/beyond-the-barrel/2008/3/26/truckers-back-a-national-65-mph-speed-limit.html
Does anyone know where this family in this video is from. They are holding a North Dakota Sign. What an amazing Family. You all need to watch this video!!!!!!!!!!!!!
www.youtube.com/danmelwatt
Why should we watch that video? Because Jenny McCarthy thinks there is a link between vaccines and autism? People are so quick to point the finger at external causes because they are afraid to admit that their kid could have autism without outside influence.
There has been study after study done on this subject, and there has yet to be any proof of a vaccine-autism link. Just because autism symptoms often appear around the same time as MMR vaccines doesn't mean they are related.
By the way, my own kid is on the autism spectrum.
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naytahwaush baby
Anon @ 3:39
What studies have been done? Studies showing that vaccines don't cause autism. How about the studies to show that vaccines don't injure children. Show me proof when and where these studies were done. Look up the Simpsonwood Memos and tell me what you think. How about the kids who have died due to Vaccine induced high fevers and seizures within 48 hours of being innoculated. What proof do you have that they are safe? Until you can prove that to me, Hush!!!!!!!
Don't try to preach to the choir unitl you are 100% on the facts.
"By the way, my own kid is on the autism spectrum."
You want a medal?
Then You should understand what these people are going through. Are they not allowed to believe differently than you. I Think its you that wants the metal, thats why you go around trying to steal the thunder when someone is trying to do something nice. Whatever happened to just saying, good for them I hope their child does okay. I am sure thats what they would do for you. All you have to do is be kind, thats not so much to ask is it.
anon @ 3:39
Since you seem to know about autism.........How did your child get it, Or how do most children get it. I don't know much about the disorder. Can you help me
Thanks
Disheartend Parent
"You want a medal?"
I posted that because I knew that somebody (you, perhaps?) would have posted something along the lines of "You don't know what these people are going through."
"What studies have been done?"
Here's enough to get you started:
http://search.medscape.com/all-search?queryText=autism%20vaccines
"Are they not allowed to believe differently than you."
Where did I say they couldn't believe what they wanted to believe? You are a pretty terrible reader.
"Look up the Simpsonwood Memos and tell me what you think."
Why do you think I haven't studied this in depth. I find that an odd assumption.
"What proof do you have that they are safe? Until you can prove that to me, Hush!!!!!!!"
Do you know what? My kid ate a piece of fruit last week, and got got sick the next day! How many other kids got sick after eating fruit? OMG! FRUIT MAKES KIDS SICK!!
"Since you seem to know about autism.........How did your child get it, Or how do most children get it. I don't know much about the disorder. Can you help me"
Nobody knows what causes autism. Have you consulted a doctor? That's a good place to start for help. If you are going through this I wish you luck, but help is out there.
this discussion makes me sick lets end it
"How about the kids who have died due to Vaccine induced high fevers and seizures within 48 hours of being innoculated."
natural selection? Nature's way of removing bad genes from the pool...
"natural selection? Nature's way of removing bad genes from the pool..."
That's too funny!!!! LOL
There's a of crap being spread around here without any links to provide some evidence
How about some numbers, how many are vaccinated and how many of those have reactions.
How many vaccinations have prevented even more problems than those supposedly caused by them?
Since when is the world supposed to be perfect and something must be blamed for every situation?
The only reason the small number of you parents can run around without vaccinating your children is because 99.9% of us ARE acting responsibly and vaccinating our children to avoid widespread activity of diseases.
If you want to take up a "natural parenting" cause, then pick on something that actually makes sense not something that has saved countless numbers of children worldwide, or perhaps you'd like to go back to the days where a large % of the children died due to preventable illnesses????
So many of you "natural parenting" people drive me nuts because you get on your soap box about vaccines, giving children OTC meds, chemicals in their shampoo, etc. Yet, I see you feeding your children hotdogs, soda, dyed foods, watching tv, etc. Gimme a break! Obesity is the worst threat of all for your children, not to mention the recent scientifically proven link between high consumption of dyed foods and hyperactivity ...
... so, why don't you take the hotdog and multi-colored goldfish crackers away from your child and actually go get them immunized to save their life.
Ahhh, since Eve ate the apple. Where've you been?
I presume the above was directed at C.Y.'s last question.
1983- 10 vaccines given in first four years of life. Autism 1 in every 10,000
2008- 36 vaccines given. Autism 1 in every 150. 1 in every 94 boys.
6000% increase. My guess is that autism is coming from the genetics of all the parents who don't have autsim. Whose family never had a person with autism. It is for sure not the vaccines. What the hell ever!!!!!!!
Heres a list of ingredients for those who would like to know whats in vaccines. This is a list produced by the CDC.
Including.....Things like
Monkey Kidney Cells
Mouse Brain
Calf Skin
Antifreeze
Formaldehyde
Aluminum
Mercury
Who in their right minds thinks this is okay....?
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-1.pdf
From my experience Lots of people are anti-toxin. Not Anti Vaccine. I vaccinated My child but I am not anti-vaccine.
The reason autism rates are increasing so much is because of several factors:
1. Acceptance of using a "label" nowadays. The increased rates of autism were probably always there, but we just knew those children as different or slow or not like us.
2. Parents are much more likely to seek out help for their children nowadays.
3. The diagnostic label of "autism" is necessary to pay for many special services and extra help for the child.
4. Over diagnosis by doctors and therapists, not just on the autism spectrum but on many different disorders (i.e.adhd).
5. Children spend more time than ever in daycare centers, school programs, etc and are not at home with mom most of the time, so these children are exposed to many more caregivers and thus the symptoms are much more likely to be noticed, diagnosed, and tended to.
Shall I go on???? There are many many things that have changed in the past 20-25 years in the mental health world, the medical world, our home environments, etc. that have led to increased diagnoses. My best guess is what you are seeing in these "increased rates" are an increase in identification and treatment of a spectrum of disorders that has been there all along.
Thank you,
A Family Therapist
Who are you? What do you really know about this subject? What the CDC considers safe for mercury is what the EPA considers UNSAFE for standard tap drinking water! For get about monkey brain for a moment- lets discuss ANTIFREEZE. What other product in the United States intended for human indestion contains antifreeze?? Other than vaccacines, of course.
If the senate deems it neccesary for a federal investagation on steroid use in MLB, why wont they investagate a 6000% increase in autism?
If it takes $500,000 to make these kids indistinguishable from their peers at the level of kindergarten, But takes 3 to 5 million to take care of them for a lifetime if we don't do anything. Then we all can expect health insurance to keep climbing to unreal levels. They won't pay for autism but they will pay to institutionalize these people. THink about it?????????????????????
I watched the video and I honor that family for sticking up for what they believe in. All this negative crap needs to stop and be happy that this family loves their son so much and take a posative proactive approach to make him better. What are you doing for your children and other children who are affected with this disease?
Interesting conversation. A Family Therapist makes great points. The methodology of diagnosis has changed enormously in the last 20 years. Comparing autism rates today with those from 1983 is not a valid approach.
DALE
HAVE FUN READING THE SIMPSONWOOD MEMOS! " the link is undeniable"
Why is being institutionalized different then general autism. BOTH cost millions a year to treat.
The majority of which is paid for by state medicaid, does everyone enjoy paying a lot of taxes?!
"If we take the mercury and rat dung or whatever out and 10% of the people who take the vaccine die from the disease anyway, is that a good trade off?"
How do we know that taking it out will raise death 10% in those people. I think its a very valid reason to study it but no one will.
Let me remind you that most of these people especially at the Green our Vaccines Rally are not anti-vaccine. They are anti toxin. So why are you all assuming that they won't give any vaccines.
You can't tell me in 1983 that when your kid stood in a corner spinnig wheels on toys, went years without talking and had severe sometimes self injuring behaviors that you would be afraid of putting a label on it. Or even be afraid to have your child seen by a doctor.
Autism is a cluster of symptoms linked together on a whole spectrum ... where we are seeing huge increases in diagnosis is on the lower end of the spectrum, this does drive the overall rate of the disease up considerably. I am not referring to the children who suffer from severe forms of autism, they probably have always been diagnosed as such.
ATTENTION DALE AND THIS GUY:
before you post a link you should read and understand what your preachin. There are 11 shots that contain thimerosal. And there is an article on antifreeze as well.
So Dale, why didnt you look at the CDC web site? or the simpsonwood memos. Your pretty hush hush on that arent ya?
"thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of the inactivated influenza vaccine."
Do you remember when smoking was good for you? Believe what you want. I guess its just to much to ask to clean up our vaccines.
I still think the video was great and applaud that family for what they did.
I just read about the Fargo boy who received two heart transplants within four days at Mayo Clinic. That place is remarkable. My mom wouldn't be around today if not for that place. Another good (albeit, more obscure) reason to live in this region.
Okay, "lets discuss ANTIFREEZE."
This is used all the time as a talking point by people that can't tell the difference between Propylene glycol and Ethylene glycol. Ethylene glycol is poison. Propylene glycol is found in too many common daily used products to list here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethylene_glycol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
I actually use propylene glycol to mix with ivermectin to get the proper dose to control heartworm in my dogs. I buy it at the local compounding pharmacy. You can lick it off you fingers without danger, not that I would choose to do so.
At the same time I am very cautious to keep any "anti-freeze" off the ground as dogs will lick it up like sugar and it can kill them.
Supposedly there is one molecule difference between margarine and some plastics. I guess that one molecule is pretty important and I don't see any hysterics to ban margarine.
anyone kknow why the fair is setting up so damn early? they already were running rides tonite and the fair isnt till the 9th of july lmao
anyone kknow why the fair is setting up so damn early? they already were running rides tonite and the fair isnt till the 9th of july lmao
A Danish study of more than half a million children showed no link between
measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccination and autism.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1124634
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The mercury-containing vaccine additive thimerosal is not a primary cause
of autism, says a study published yesterday in the Archives of General
Psychiatry.
http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/01/california-stud.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22542677/
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/611489.html?chan=top+news_top+news+index_lifestyle
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As the authors of a controversial study that linked the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine and autism fend off allegations of professional
misconduct, debate over the study's impact on immunization rates continues
to rage in Canada.
The hard evidence, though, remains elusive as officials say Canada's
tracking system is too woefully inadequate to accurately ascertain the
controversy's effect in Canada.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1995138
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The "Wakefield" Studies: Studies Hypothesizing That MMR Causes Autism
Dr. Paul Offit, M.D., FAAP, Chief of Infectious Diseases and Director of the
Vaccine Education Center at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Those who claim that MMR causes autism often cite two papers by Andrew
Wakefield and colleagues. This section summarizes those studies and lists
their critical flaws.
http://www.cispimmunize.org/fam/autism/a_wake.html
-------------------
AUTISM AND VACCINE RESEARCH
http://www.hhs.gov/nvpo/factsheets/fs_tableVII_doc3.htm
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Paul Offit is the biggest Biostitute I have ever heard of. You can't believe anything out of his mouth.....
so everyone that disagrees with you is a "Biostitute" and not to be listened to?
Back to the Westward Ho inquiry 2:37 PM, June 19, 2008
Martin Zellar of the Gear Daddies put out a solo album several years ago and the photos for the album were shot at the Ho. He must've had a soft spot for the place since the GD's played there so often.
Visit the Tuel Shed (now known as The Shed) to see actual memorabilia from the Ho. There are a few items on the walls.
Not sure where to get other stuff from the Ho. It was quite the entertainment spot back in the day.
"Not sure where to get other stuff from the Ho. It was quite the entertainment spot back in the day."
Most of the Ho's equipment and decor went in a public auction a few years ago.
I ended up with the circular couch from the lobby. It sat in my house for about a year, and I sold it off before moving. The damn thing was too big to move with me.
I think one of the partners at Curt D Johnson Auction Co. ended up with the totems and other woodworks from the Chuck House and I think he got the bar from the Speakeasy as well.
Incidentally, I had to bid on Nine and Numb's property that we left at the Comedy Gallery a few days before the place closed in order to get it back. That sucked.
I posted the one pic I had of the Westward Ho...
"Fargo-Moorhead abuzz after 'The Juice' spills into town
The metro area was abuzz Wednesday after O.J. Simpson visited Fargo’s JT Cigarro bar Tuesday."
This is the #3 story on the Herald website. Pathetic. Finally, there's something that Fargo's got that we DON'T covet.
Oddly enough, I went to an autism board and they were talking about Grand Forks.
Wow. OJ Simpson's mere presence in the area is a genuine news story here?? *cough*countrybumpkins*cough
Anon 2:21:
Don't lie... You know you are just as interested as the rest in why The Juice is hanging out in the Fargo area. What's worse than hickish curiosity is haughty superiority, and then rubbing everyone's nose in it. I'm glad you commented, though,'cause now we know who's cool.
Mother charged with 1st Degree Attempted Murder, tried to gas her 2 daughters age 3 and 4. She is sister of Moe Gibbs. She is in divorce and child custody proceedings. Do you think she might now lose her parental rights ? We hope so, she is now in Psych Ward on 3 rd Floor in TRF, Minn. Breezetta "Brezzy" Etienne is her name and was in Air Force in GF. greenglass4.
I will pray for her and her family.
Kelly, Bremer Bank seized your shit. No one else. Get a clue. BTW, I was at a friend's house recently and he has a music room with what looks like 100's of posters from past shows at The Ho. It was truly amazing what that place brought to the community!
The Ho made Grand Forkas a better place to live.
The Ho made The Herald a better read.
The Ho made Terry Dullum's news reports better to watch.
The Ho pushed other bars to be better operations.
The Ho made Grand Forks radio better.
The Ho created opportunities for local budding artists.
The Ho probably touched the lives of every individual in this community for years, no, generations.
I could go on, and on.
Whoever, thanks for the memories. I saw some of my heroes there and then met up with them for breakfast the next morning in The Chuckhouse. The place was beyond amazing.
"Kelly, Bremer Bank seized your shit. No one else. Get a clue."
Um...ok. I wasn't pointing any fingers here, just saying how having to bid on my own property because of someone else's problem sucked.
I'm not going to get into a never-ending pissing match over the Ho all over again. You're anonymous, which makes you instantly not worth the argument.
Plus, the Ho is LONG dead. Nobody cares anymore. Try looking forward for a change.
Greetings... I was doing some research on your area and ran across your site. My wife and I are traveling from Wisconsin to Winnipeg soon and we thought it would be fun to try to find out what off-the-beaten-path or can't-miss stops local folks recommend in different places along the way.
We have a blog started at http://08-road-trip.blogspot.com/ - if you've got a good word for something in your backyard, let us know... Thanks in advance!
The entire city of GF is off-the-beaten-path.
Just kidding.
Nice... then I guess we'll be right where we want to be!
Looking for drivers for Carnival to Minot. Check GF Herald
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